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M'Aiq The Liar · Jul 09, 2009, 03:48 PM // 15:48

I want to PUG again, but all of the good players are running Hero/Hench, and I don't have the patience to babysit 7 other players, so I fall in line and just Hero/Hench it myself.

Coraline Jones · Jul 09, 2009, 03:54 PM // 15:54

People like H/H for certain things because heroes are easily customizable and you can setup a strong synergy build quickly. With human players, this is very hard to do as people are constantly wanting to run their favorite builds. I've also noticed that many PUGs have an immature attitude and don't want to be a team player.

On the flip side, heroes and henchmen have very limited A.I. While they are almost geniuses at interrupts and focus fire, they are pretty darn stupid at kiting or keeping themselves out of trouble. If you need to run through an area, then they will linger behind and sometimes draw aggro. Human players can also bring all kinds of PvE-only skills, which is a big negative for H/H because some PvE skills are insanely powerful.

Personally I always find it hilarious that topics like these always talk about how great H/H are, and then there's always another thread, often on the same page, talking about how heroes basically ruined the game. It's like complaining about how PvE skills ruined the game and then every day you speed clear Underworld in 15 minutes.

Daesu · Jul 09, 2009, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by M'Aiq The Liar

I don't have the patience to babysit 7 other players

That is the cost of pugging. Besides, you have a chance to "make new friends".

I find it funny whenever people use "socializing" as a reason to convince others to PUG. When there are so many other less stressful opportunities to make new friends than through pugging. Have you tried chatting with someone in town for example?

Silly Rabbit! PUGs are for completing missions/quests.

SonofGrenth · Jul 09, 2009, 04:02 PM // 16:02

reason for me to h/h is because like 95% of the community does not know how to play their skillbar.

Ghost Omel · Jul 09, 2009, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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Originally Posted by Daesu

That is the cost of pugging. Besides, you have a chance to "make new friends".

I find it funny whenever people use "socializing" as a reason to convince others to PUG. When there are so many other less stressful opportunities to make new friends than through pugging. Have you tried chatting with someone in town for example?

Silly Rabbit! PUGs are for completing missions/quests.

Guilds are for that silly rabbit.

You socialize there...even though just joining a guild could be considered solcilizing and so....Meh there loads of people on my friends list doesnt mean i talk to them all..now Guildies is a different sotry.

Daesu · Jul 09, 2009, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Ghost Omel

Guilds are for that silly rabbit.

You socialize there...even though just joining a guild could be considered solcilizing and so....Meh there loads of people on my friends list doesnt mean i talk to them all..now Guildies is a different sotry.

Precisely, belonging to a good guild has lots of advantages in this game. They can help you clear areas and socialize with you at the same time.

So much better than random pugs.

Ghost Omel · Jul 09, 2009, 04:18 PM // 16:18

im..not..arguing..you know that right =)

M'Aiq The Liar · Jul 09, 2009, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Daesu

That is the cost of pugging. Besides, you have a chance to "make new friends".

I find it funny whenever people use "socializing" as a reason to convince others to PUG. When there are so many other less stressful opportunities to make new friends than through pugging. Have you tried chatting with someone in town for example?

Silly Rabbit! PUGs are for completing missions/quests.

I liked the social aspect of it, to see how others played and what they ran. Besides, there's a certain learning aspect from pugging with a good player that you really can't get from hero-henching. But it seems that with heroes, the competent players just load up their party with either 3 or 6 of them and leave, and the only people that still PUG are for the most part incompetent.

I don't mind AFKers, stuff happens in real life. I don't mind when people want to run their own bar, as long as there's a certain sense of balance and synergy in who we do take. But at the end of the day, I want to complete the mission.

majikmajikmajik · Jul 09, 2009, 05:04 PM // 17:04

I h/h becuz i like having 3 super human skill bots and 4 not so great but decent hack and heal bots.

i tend to h/h alot, but do enjoy HM dungeons/missions/VQ's with a real person so get at me, if your feeling social, make some friends.

Gigashadow · Jul 09, 2009, 05:06 PM // 17:06

I H/H because I still have fun coming up with and trying out new hero setups.

Grim Aragorn · Jul 09, 2009, 05:24 PM // 17:24

because heroes do what i tell them to do and can run builds properly

Daesu · Jul 09, 2009, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by M'Aiq The Liar

Besides, there's a certain learning aspect from pugging with a good player that you really can't get from hero-henching. But it seems that with heroes, the competent players just load up their party with either 3 or 6 of them and leave, and the only people that still PUG are for the most part incompetent.

Ah...the learn by "pugging with a good player" argument is an interesting concept that very rarely happens. In fact the second part of your statement, "only people that still PUG are for the most part incompetent" already tells us how rare that is.

If I want to learn from a good player, I would invite my guild leader instead of random pugs.

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I don't mind AFKers, stuff happens in real life.

Not if it takes an hour while the guy goes to sleep and hopes that you complete the rest of the mission for him.

The people who rage quit upon the first death are even worse, they totally destroy the group.

TheBuck · Jul 09, 2009, 05:33 PM // 17:33

I must be one of the few who still enjoy pugs.

False Maria · Jul 09, 2009, 05:39 PM // 17:39

I've only been playing for a little under a year and I H/H mostly because most players are bored 4-year olds who only like to do UWSC or DoA with gimmick builds. Which leaves me, a new player, stuck alone doing things like HM Missions and Vanquishes and leveling up characters in NM.

Fortunately, my guild is a very helpful one and I do alot of stuff with them that I would otherwise do alone because its not sexy enough for the masses.

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I must be one of the few who still enjoy pugs.

You're not, I enjoy them too. The thing is that there is hardly anyone to PuG with. Either the town is empty or (and I get a laugh every time I see this) full of folks but everyone is H/Hing.

HuntMaster Avatar · Jul 09, 2009, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Why do I choose to H/H instead of pug? Simple answer is, I don't want to put up with peoples attitudes. I don't care if the group isn't very good. I don't care if we have to repeat a mission 5 times (which is very rare) and I don't care if we have to stop and wait for someone to go to the bathroom, take care of their children or deal with the phone. Gives me a chance to grab a beer and scratch myself.

People who quit without good reason get a temp ignore and I don't group with them, same for leechers. People who don't listen and run ahead of the group find themselves all alone and die. Normally they don't get a rez. None of that bugs me much because the next game, they're excluded from the group.

People don't normally tell me to change my build because my build rocks for damage dealing. If they want me to run a different build, I will ask why and if the reason is good, I will run it if I have it. If not then I tell them no and am either removed or they accept my answer and we play.

But the spoiled child attitude found so common in online gaming is where I draw the line. If you wanna act like a little bitch, don't expect me to help you complete a mission. Heroes and Henchies are mindless drones yet far more welcome than those types of players. This is why pugging is almost dead and will never and can never be fixed. Heroes didn't kill pugs, skills didn't kill pugs. Players did.

refer · Jul 09, 2009, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

Why do I choose to H/H instead of pug? Simple answer is, I don't want to put up with peoples attitudes. I don't care if the group isn't very good. I don't care if we have to repeat a mission 5 times (which is very rare) and I don't care if we have to stop and wait for someone to go to the bathroom, take care of their children or deal with the phone. Gives me a chance to grab a beer and scratch myself.

People who quit without good reason get a temp ignore and I don't group with them, same for leechers. People who don't listen and run ahead of the group find themselves all alone and die. Normally they don't get a rez. None of that bugs me much because the next game, they're excluded from the group.

People don't normally tell me to change my build because my build rocks for damage dealing. If they want me to run a different build, I will ask why and if the reason is good, I will run it if I have it. If not then I tell them no and am either removed or they accept my answer and we play.

But the spoiled child attitude found so common in online gaming is where I draw the line. If you wanna act like a little bitch, don't expect me to help you complete a mission. Heroes and Henchies are mindless drones yet far more welcome than those types of players. This is why pugging is almost dead and will never and can never be fixed. Heroes didn't kill pugs, skills didn't kill pugs. Players did.

Players sure did kill PUGs, with their nasty attitude that all real people are basically inferior as it gets.

jimme · Jul 09, 2009, 06:47 PM // 18:47

Basicly I h/h so I don't have to wait for people loading their bars, eating a cookie before we start the mission. And because I know the armour of my heroes are runed good and have the weapons and build I want them to use.

Targren · Jul 09, 2009, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by refer

Players sure did kill PUGs, with their nasty attitude that all real people are basically inferior as it gets.

"All?" No. "Far too many?" Yes. And that attitude was earned. Many times over.

PvXwiki killed pugs.

Ghost Omel · Jul 09, 2009, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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Originally Posted by Targren

"All?" No. "Far too many?" Yes. And that attitude was earned. Many times over.

PvXwiki killed pugs.

2nd it...All gimmycy builds spread to fast with that website...maybe thats one of the reason for the class discrimination as well. and heroes help those calss pass by? Thats my view on PvX i personaly never used it i dont even know any 1 that does from my friends list.

Gigashadow · Jul 09, 2009, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Since you rarely see the same person twice, and guild tags are unmemorable, people in Guild Wars are effectively anonymous, leading to no repercussions for bad behavior, which tends to make people treat each other like shit, and make PUGs a shitty experience. GW2 is supposed to fix that and add more of a shard-style community feel.